at level 15 and can't kill the dragon (spoilers)

[ophelia]

So when I first got to level 15, I sought the dragon and got killed, which made sense given how many hitpoints the green dragon has. I have no gems since I used them all to get more health from and bribe Cedrick to pvp players in the inn. I've read the recommendations to not pvp until after you have a dragon kill, but honestly, I don't know how anyone can get to level 15 by staying in the forest when players with dk can come along and take almost all the experience earned in a day.

So I went to the forest for thrillseeking, tried the occasional pvp, to gain more gems and experience points hoping that would increase my hitpoints which it didn't, until I tried the gauntlet which gave me a little hitpoint boost. I don't have and can't find gems even though before I would find them each day no problem. Are gems programmed to be unavailable once you reach level 15?

I use up all my turns, yes I've burned a blue candle to get more turns, and then go to the inn. I always get killed in the inn by someone who has 5x the hitpoints I do which is somewhat less annoying now since I'm already at level 15 but still frustrating.

Of course, I keep getting diverted to the cave once in a while which yielded some gold but no dragon. Until today.

Today, I tried the gauntlet but I couldn't get in so I figure I need more exp points. I went to the forest for some thrillseeking, got some exp, gold and a gem but lost a ton of hp so I figure I'll go see Golinda to restore my hp and then go to the gauntlet and then buy some health from cedrick before seeking out the dragon. But I couldn't because the dragon showed up right then and there when I had < 100 hp which is pointless. I use all my magical points and get killed as expected.

So now, what's the point? I'm at the highest level, my armor and weapons have been maxed since level 13. I've tried to kill the dragon twice and know unless I double my hitpoints there is no way I'll defeat the dragon but going to the gauntlet for a 5 hp increase each day means it will take 30+ days to do so which just seems tedious. Meanwhile, there's no point for me to even bother staying at the inn since I'm experience point fodder for all the players with dk except for the fact that I know they have to atleast spend some money to bribe cedrick to find me but whoop de doo, I've got a ton of gold in the bank, I know the cost is no big deal.

How do you increase hit points in order to have enough to kill the dragon?

Thanks for reading this and any insight provided.

[Furion]

Dragon problems? I remember those :D Don't despair, read on.

1. It sounds like you have given the dragon only one fair go. Maybe another try is in order?

2. I don't think your hitpoint strategy will work as you expect. The Dragon's hitpoints are partially based on your own hitpoints, so if you keep increasing your HP, those of the dragon should increase as well.

3. Experienced players will tell you that when fighting the Dragon, buffs are very important. I would try to gather as many of these as possible before searching for the Dragon.

4. Mounts can be quite helpful as well.

5. Did you know that the PVP list is sorted by experience? Once you have gained a level, you cannot lose it, so it may be better to *not* go into the forest and gain exp, and hence make yourself less of a target.

6. Cedric may be able to help you more, I would talk to him and see what he says. HP is not the only benefit that may be gained from his potions.
I would also recommend reading BD's strategy guide here:
http://lotgd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=344

Best of luck!

[ophelia]

Furion,

You rock, thanks for the feedback and info, I really appreciate it.

The only reason I've gone into the forest is to hopefully come across more gems so that I can buy more health from cedric but perhaps that is not the best way to go.

I'll read the strategy guide.

Again, thanks tons!

Cheers,
ophelia

[Crowley]

Yea, sounds like you just had RNG trouble. If your weapons are topped, and you have level 5 magic - there's no reason you can't succeed given a little luck.

If at first you don't succeed... and all that :)

[ophelia]

I just killed the green dragon and am now Traveler Ophelia.

Thanks tons for the help!

[Nightwind]

give up on gems from the forest monsters.

concentrate on what gold will get you.

there are, three distinct buffs that can be bought with gold.

And it's not exp that the gauntlet is taking from you. Though I supose the output messages arn't really being clear.... hrm...

[Crowley]

Now that the output isn't a permanent effect, I gotta say, I really don't think the gauntlet's costs are worth it...

[Nightwind]

*notes he is late* erm....

:oops:

still good advice... *leaves it and wanders away*

[ophelia]

give up on gems from the forest monsters.

concentrate on what gold will get you.

there are, three distinct buffs that can be bought with gold.

And it's not exp that the gauntlet is taking from you. Though I supose the output messages arn't really being clear.... hrm...

Fortunately, one more romp in the forest yielded good fortune smiling on me and giving me 5 gems which enabled me to buy a good mount. After that, I did exactly what you've listed, I used gold to buy 3 distinct buffs and was then able to defeat the dragon.

Thanks!

I do have to say, it bites that <SNIP GAME SECRET>.

[Nightwind]

*arrives post snip*

yes, yes it does, but that's part of the game balance.

[leutvonhier]

Another advice might be to use the magic in another stragety...not just "boom boom, bang bang" ... ;)

[ophelia]

<sheepish>Whoops, shouldn't have posted the game secret, my bad. Thanks for snipping whomever snipped it.</sheepish>

[goferchan]

I'm glad this thread is here because I'm having the same problems :(

I'm level 15 and my equipment is maxed out, and I'm having some major dragon-killing troubles. Now that I know the dragon's HP is based on your own I feel kinda dumb for spending so many gems buying vitality from Cedric, as right now I have a rabbit for a familiar but I could easily have something more powerful if I hadn't spent so much money on max hp.

As far as buffs go I've been taking along dwarven spirits (I get the health bonus for being a dwarf) as well as lover's protection and generosity (or whatever you get for making a donation) but it's just not cutting it. I've fought the dragon about 4 times now, and relying on skills seems to be the way to go (right now I have 9 skill use points) but I still just can't quite cut it. Does anyone have any reccomendations? I'm not looking for any spoilers, I'm just wondering if I should keep doing what I'm doing and hope I get lucky with the RNG, or if I'm wasting my time and missing something major.

Thanks for the help, and I hope I'm not asking for too much :) I really appreciate how the mods keep the revealing of game secrets down, it helps keep this an adventure game and not just an exercise of "who can click the mouse the most times every day" that so many other browsergames have turned into!

[Elessa]

i always enjoy a good, refreshing mudbath before i face the dragon

[Acemaster]

Mule Daniels is much better than Dwarven Spirits. Dragon's Breath is expensive and quite a risk. I'd stick with the Daniels.

[TheOttomancer]

I love the Mule Daniels... the Dragon Breath, only if you're lucky enough to find the Dragon Quickly!! :D

[Darcia]

I would advise to all level 15 farmies that you should save your skill points (dark arts, magic, thieving) for use on the dragon the day you are searching for him. Without those skills you have learned, magical buffs(read BD's strategy guide, posted earlier), and full health... it will definitely be hard to get your first DK.

You do not, however, need to have your weapons/armor maxed out. It may seem so, but if you use your + skills and buffs, with luck... you should do fine. And don't give up easily... try different tactics... and I always advise on reading these forums as much as possible. Many will advise you to buy a mount and not wait for the best one on the list. If you save your mount's buffs for the dragon, that might help as well.

[TheOttomancer]

Yeah, but anyway you'll have to think, that even with your buffs and armor and weapons maxed out... there are lots of possibilities that She woke up angry and killls you (us) in no time :)

[Eyeball]

I didn't think that having max buffs was a good idea when facing the Dragon at the moment. Something about her hitting harder...

[Darcia]

Well, the dragon's strength stems from your own strength... But when you factor in multiple buffs, (lets say 3.. your mount, strong drink, and your skill) your odds greatly increase. And there are a few more buffs you can add to these, but that is giving too much away. These are common buffs for someone to have when facing the dragon. The greatest answer to a question is learned through experience. Just don't give up :!:

[TheOttomancer]

Yeah, I had to kill some dragons until I realized that there were lots of diferents buffs available... Everywhere! So don't be afraid to try!

[Darcia]

It is almost always better to have a mount, even as a farmie, than not to. Some of those mounts can help you with your attack, defense, travel, healing, and more.. I wanted to save up to get a Wyvern as fast as I could, but I've read else where on the forum that it is not a good idea. It is better to grow into mounts because they are made for certain amount of DK characters.

Mounts are one topic I definitely want to learn more about.

[Waugh]

Let me add something, because I had the opposite of distinction of losing to the Green Dragon about 20 times with an Alt character. Let me say that playing with a 50+ DK user is so much different than playing with a 0 DK user.

One of the reasons it took so long was I bought a potion to change my specialty. Bad idea, never do that when you are looking for the dragon. Unless you have already accumulated 6 spells, you'll get shafted with less than the best spell of one and the basic spell of the one you transform to. In simple terms, when trying to transform from Thievery to Mystical, instead of having:

Thievery
1. Insult
2. Poison Blade
3. Hidden Attack
5. Backstab

I ended up with:

Thievery
1. Insult
2. Poison Blade
3. Hidden Attack
Mystical
1. Healing

Or something like that. I don't recall the exact configuration, but I was without a level 5 spell. This happened because you gain points with every level, but once you reach a certain level you're not going to level anymore and your goal is to find the dragon.

I also think most people just attack the dragon with their best spell. This may not always be the case, if you're struggling, try mixing it up a bit and go at the dragon with a varying combination of lesser spells...

[tyco]

I don't want to say anything I shouldn't, so I'll be careful.

I've killed the dragon 2x (whoop-de-doo), but never been killed by the dragon. In my experience, buffs don't make as big a difference as this thread seems to indicate. Using your magic well does. be offensive, not defensive.

[Milkboy31]

<post made in LotGD form>

/me notes that he really loves being a thief... and that often when you drink you feel invincible... or at least like you can take a bit more punishment.

</post made in LotGD form>

[Elessa]

I don't want to say anything I shouldn't, so I'll be careful.

I've killed the dragon 2x (whoop-de-doo), but never been killed by the dragon. In my experience, buffs don't make as big a difference as this thread seems to indicate. Using your magic well does. be offensive, not defensive.

:laughs softly

just ye wait, young warrior. just ye wait. the dragon can be a very worthy opponent to stronger warriors.

[TheOttomancer]

Yeah, just wait when the drafon breath makes a lot of damage and in the first round she had already taken half of your life with a good hit... I used to think the same as you, but Greenie left me clear that she was not going to let it happen more... you have to strong, though, and fast, three rounds is a good average... at least for me.

[PiRa]

I also think most people just attack the dragon with their best spell. This may not always be the case, if you're struggling, try mixing it up a bit and go at the dragon with a varying combination of lesser spells...
This is certainly ture in my case. I always use Dark Arts and by the time I run into the dragon I already have the complete set of skills. However, I've never used the best skill against the dragon, not once. I find that if I use one skill, which takes only a small number of skill points, I can keep using it over and over. It does decent damage to the dragon and after multiplying it with the turns I can use, the dragon doesn't stand a chance.

Well, not yet anyway :p

[TheOttomancer]

I use to face the Dragon with Dark Arts, and I've never used my biggest spell... I start trying to reduce his damage first, and then, depending in my/her life I give her my minions and then a pin... if it's too close... two pins.

(note: I tried to write this, trying to be not too much spoiler, if it still is, feel free to edit, and sorry ^^)

[Diorama]

Only time I've ever used my level 5 skill was as a thief against the dragon

I combined with with the level 2 skill to get an absolutely HUUUUUUGE buff.

[Waugh]

Now imagine adding a mudbath and dragons breath to that! As I saw someone post in one of the towns, I bet the Dragon will be clicking her Run button! :D

[Diorama]

Now imagine adding a mudbath and dragons breath to that! As I saw someone post in one of the towns, I bet the Dragon will be clicking her Run button! :D

Oh yeah! Might try that again. Just to see how high I can push it!

[Valkor]

I have found Ramius's blessings to be indispensible.
I'll just say that there's more to dying than living.

[Diorama]

Well yeah, but now I'm getting kills in one figure days

To get those would make me too slow again*grins*

As it happens, I tried the level 5 DA skill and got my second flawless with it. Though I also had skels

I got my first flawless with backstab.

[Waugh]

Congratulations mate.

[Diorama]

Cheers!

Of course having just made that boast and having a last kill of 10 days makes me look stupid ^^

[Taliesin]

Not stupid, just tired. You were just resting, that's it. :D

[Diorama]

Not stupid, just tired. You were just resting, that's it. :D

*laughs and then looks around shiftily*

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what I meant to say

*grins*

[Kelavat]

I use dragons breath ale, dark arts powers, the animal companion and won my first time... Maybe next time I will donate, bathe, and such to help... but I took him down without being hurt.

Dark arts are mean and VERY useful, you disable them from being able to fight, then reduce their attack and defense ability, and finally soften them up. Meanwhile smacking them apart with the buffs up. And since drunkardness doesn't last after the fight its ok to get royally hammered.

[Diorama]

I use dragons breath ale, dark arts powers, the animal companion and won my first time... Maybe next time I will donate, bathe, and such to help... but I took him down without being hurt.

Dark arts are mean and VERY useful, you disable them from being able to fight, then reduce their attack and defense ability, and finally soften them up. Meanwhile smacking them apart with the buffs up. And since drunkardness doesn't last after the fight its ok to get royally hammered.

*has been hit for 40+ damage while the dragon was under the influence of wither soul*

It doesn't always work out as you plan though :)

[bad]

Woah, dark art and wizard is way too devious for me. I prefer the fine art of assasination. I backstab the green dragon with my poison blade and then I follow up with some insults if she is still standing.

Work every time! ;)

[Waugh]

*grins*
I'm not so lucky to inflict so much pain upon her. She reels over as soon as I slide a blade into her back. I don't even get to remove and repeat.

[Diorama]

Oh I've been hit for 30+ while in backstab, and generally don't have enough skill points to add poison blade to the mix. Go figure.