Banned?

[Cannonball]

Ladies and gentlemen, I come in inquery as to weather or not you find as a community, my ban a 'just' action'.

I rollplay my Dwarf character with a healthy rivalry with my real life friends Elven character on the Dragoncat server.

Now, during a special event in the forest (I cant remember which, I think it was the strange tavern.)

I "/me scratches into the table with his pocketknife: THERIUS SUCKS!" (The name of my Elven real life friend.)

I tried to login today and was banned.

I feel this was not just cause, as I was contributing to the fun RP aspects of the game so few others seem to enjoy as much as he and I. As I see it I am now penalized several game days and suffer unjustly by falling behind said friend in level progression :shock:

Any thoughts? 8)

[BLOODDRAGON]

I "/me scratches into the table with his pocketknife: THERIUS SUCKS!" (The name of my Elven real life friend.)



mabey cause this is a family friendly server, and that isnt a word id want my kids to hear

plus your poll doesnt help you cause, makes me think even more it was just, cause of your childish additude with these words

...and i wont start about how wrong and stupid your "ocupation" is

[Cannonball]

mabey cause this is a family friendly server, and that isnt a word id want my kids to hear

plus your poll doesnt help you cause, makes me think even more it was just, cause of your childish additude

How old are your children Blooddragon? Do you really think you're cynicism and durrogutory comments toward me here are protecting them?

I think you're being a bit nieve here, and that person to person morals and convictions have little place in a video game where you can get drunk(gluttony), murder people(thou shalt not kill), haunt souls(Heresy), and have sex with the local bar wench whom everyone in town has been known to enjoy. (Adultry, anyone?)

Perhaps you should be checking into your own morals, your skills as a parent, and the validity of your own personal judgement with regards to allowing your children to play this game, which is so wholly full of sin and lewd behaviour.

Or perhaps, the ban was stupid and unnesessary. I'll let you pick, via the poll that I made in jest knowing my case is tight.


Any other questions, Dad?

[Bloodgeon]

God forbid that someone's kids come across the word "sucks" while playing a game expressly about hunting down small woodland creatures and disembowling them.....i was banned too, so now i have to add J/K after every unserious comment in order for people to not be offended by my "morally bankrupt and offensive beliefs".



P.S.........................J/K :roll:

[BoarVolk]

Go home.
There is a time and a place for course language and this isnt it, nor was in the random forest encounter.
I dont want to hear that word here.
I am 20/m and i swear like there is no tomorrow, but NOT in the game.
when i encounter that word in the game i do get shocked because it is out of place, it isn't RPing because it takes us out of the world we are playing in.

You could have said
"my dwarve waves his battle axe in the general direction of timmy the elf"
or whatever. Nice clean no too personal, but shows that you two have a fued.

Y'know not only did you use a word i wouldn't like to see but you went too personal. I am leader of an evil clan and i do some pretty mean stuff, but I dont do anything personal(with exceptions of JCP, because he can fight back)

even if you had of said
::goes and beats up Mr elf friend and binds him to the supports of the darkhorse inn, and throws rotten fruit at him, then adds `@"Hey join in guys this is fun" `&to the near patrons of the inn.

Though that isnt really derogitive, or foul, it is personal.

I too would have banned you for a few days, and after reading your post and finding you have no remorse, would start communications with you leading to a deltion of your character unless you start to see things differently.

[Bloodgeon]

Ok, i'll give you that his apparent lack of remorse suggests that he may take the same actions again....but "sucks"! "Sucks!?" Come on, i wouldn't feel bad about using that word in a nunnery. Sucks, while being crude and illiterate-sounding, is not exactly the most offensive word in the english language! Heck, Nova probably uses sucks, and PBS are nazis about language! (J/K, read above post)

[Cannonball]

Go home.
There is a time and a place for course language and this isnt it, nor was in the random forest encounter.
I dont want to hear that word here.
I am 20/m and i swear like there is no tomorrow, but NOT in the game.
when i encounter that word in the game i do get shocked because it is out of place, it isn't RPing because it takes us out of the world we are playing in.

You could have said
"my dwarve waves his battle axe in the general direction of timmy the elf"
or whatever. Nice clean no too personal, but shows that you two have a fued.

Y'know not only did you use a word i wouldn't like to see but you went too personal. I am leader of an evil clan and i do some pretty mean stuff, but I dont do anything personal(with exceptions of JCP, because he can fight back)

even if you had of said
::goes and beats up Mr elf friend and binds him to the supports of the darkhorse inn, and throws rotten fruit at him, then adds `@"Hey join in guys this is fun" `&to the near patrons of the inn.

Though that isnt really derogitive, or foul, it is personal.

I too would have banned you for a few days, and after reading your post and finding you have no remorse, would start communications with you leading to a deltion of your character unless you start to see things differently.

So your personal morals only come into play when you're in a game with the shawdy morals I've clearly demonstrated this game to currently have?

Maybe you should read my 2nd post again. Of course I have no remorse on the subject, as I have been wronged unjustly.

In a court of law, your personal feelings have zero merit what-so-ever Boarvolk. While you happen to 'feel' that 'sucks' is a vulgar word. I do not. Are your feelings more important then mine? Are either of our feelings here truely important at all?

You're poor judgement in the suggested deletion of my character shows you to be a prude, with a complete lack of the way things actually work.

If you ask me, and I dont care if you do. People like you, with your 'im more important then you', 'my feelings are paramount', 'anyone who disagrees with what I find right needs to be banned' additude that need the wakeup call.

Not the guy who jested 'sucks' with his friend in a video game.

So no, you can go home, kk bye now.

On another note, perhaps it would be pertinant for the various site admins to post in the newbie faq exactly what sort of behaviour is allowed, and not allowed. And that only the most prim and proper of those displaying the allowed behaviour can continue their gameplay uninterupted.

[Catscradler]

I regret to inform you that this is the absolutely WRONG WAY to receive proper justice or consideration for your ban.

For one, going to the community to take proper action about your perceived injustice won't help your cause as there is NOTHING that they can do about it. None of the people to whom you're appealing have any control over the server in question. If you have a problem with a decision made by a member of the staff on a given server, you petition it on the login page so that other staff members may review your claim and investigate its validity.

That being said, how can you expect anybody to be sympathetic to you without knowing more of your history on that server? And how can they do so when you post your complaint under a name different than what you use on that server?

THAT being said, the decisions of moderators and/or administrators of a given site are based on their own judgement of circumstances. And each staff member is different - some are more sensitive than others. But they were made staff because the people running the site agree with their attitudes in general. They will punish you according to their own value system which, yes, may seem harsh to you. Again, if you feel the punishment is unjust, petition it.

Now, to deal with the rest of the original post: You were banned for a few days and you're shouting about it for all to hear? You're taking a minor disciplinary action and blowing it entirely out of proportion? It's a WARNING. Think about what you might have done to deserve that and try not to do it again. Yeesh.
Besides, if your playing strategy is truly superior to that of your friend, you will regain those lost days of leveling up and pull ahead in no time. Just like server crashes, crossing the staff is a hazard of an online game that can set you back a few days (or delete your character entirely!). Consider it a mega-bad forest event that you purposely or accidentally blundered in to.

Besides, it's just a few days out of a game.



P.S. It's possible to show jest just using text...although true, it's not easy. Consider putting actions such as "smirks and says" before your text, or punctuating your comments differently. Small changes can make a world of difference.

[BoarVolk]

and another thing, cause im in a shitty mood with both Bloodgeon and Cannonball.

First off, dont dispute the banning stick. Irrigardless what others think, this is the admins servers and they have the right to ban you whenever for whatever reason they like. Dont like it? GO HOME.

Secondly BloodDragon didnt say he had children, he merely implied it wasn't a word for children, dont dispute this cause yes i did read his post.

Thirdly dont mock people for going against your cause.
You open a poll because you believe in democracy?? but yet you not only diss those who oppose you, you flame them. Yes i am aware that you are two different people.
Tiananmen square anybody?

forthly this game isnt "expressly about hunting down small woodland creatures". It has very few woodland creatures in it. (assuming the most comming meaning). the creatures are so novel that there is no way to mistake it for killing, and encase someone does, the death is also appended with a novelty messeage to show that it should not be taken seriously. Also longwinded as it maybe i also want to rebuttle this poiint by saying the is a ROLEPLAYING game. Thus it is primarily for roleplaying, people come and 'become' the character of thier choice in whatever way they choose, i have members of my clan who dont level up, they just enjoy talking in the village in character...ROLEPLAYING!

fifthly adding J/K afer a comment does make it any better. thats like saying "I dont mean to offend you Bloodgeon, but I think you mother is a .....!

sixthly i dont remember ever buying a pocket knife (but after 20+dks thats a lot of weapons i could forget) so scratching it in with a pocket knife isn't RPing.

seventhly retorting doesnt help your cause, I'm do it because it is my cause to show you the error of your ways. How ever flaming Blooddragon didnt help you, there was no need for it and if anything it hurt your cause.

finally GO HOME! I mean it, it enfuriates me to see people ruining the fun for everyone.

[Catscradler]

Are we done with the flame war yet?

In regards to behaviour expected on a given server, it's being worked on.
Check out Central Server User Agreement (2) (http://lotgd.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86) in the Feature Requests area.
Who wants to bet that'll also be released under some sort of Open Source license?

[Bloodgeon]

Hey, listen, if i add joke after something, i don't mean it. I don't understand how anyone can take offense about something that isn't an actual belief, only something said to lighten the mood. If you were to call my mother anything, and then tell me you didn't mean it (or if it was understood), i would play along, probably saying something like "Then why did you ............. her? You aren't my daddy or the milkman!" :lol:

MY fun isn't ruined. I'M having a great time. This is fun for me. And if you think i'm beginning to chafe in response to the mods banning me, check out my thread "Oh, there they are" (it's a bit lower). I'm sorry if this offended your little sensebilities. (J/K) :wink:

[Moonchilde]

Okay folks.. everyone cool down a second here.

First, if this was on the dragoncat server where you did that and got banned, I'll be talking to the mods.. While *Central* is PG-13/Family Friendly, I tend to let Dragoncat run more toward the NC-17/slightly more adult.

I'm looking into this from my side now.

[Bloodgeon]

I'm cool as a cucumber....this is delightful!

[BoarVolk]

OK, i know see how much of a fool you really are.........

So your personal morals only come into play when you're in a game with the shawdy morals I've clearly demonstrated this game to currently have?
>>you put forward you own opinions that i objected to, you did not clearly display anything. My personal morals are always in play, i NEVER swear infront of ladies or children, female mates of mine yes, but not ladies.

Maybe you should read my 2nd post again. Of course I have no remorse on the subject, as I have been wronged unjustly.
>>you 'think' you have been wrongly just. you have opened this discussion, but you havent opened yourself to the possibility your wrong.

In a court of law, your personal feelings have zero merit what-so-ever Boarvolk. While you happen to 'feel' that 'sucks' is a vulgar word. I do not. Are your feelings more important then mine? Are either of our feelings here truely important at all?
>> My opions are of a player, I speak not for all players, but for one. It comes down to the 'customer is always right' rule. Dont get me started on the legal system. Opinions do take a role in the legal system, no matter how much people try to filter them out.

You're poor judgement in the suggested deletion of my character shows you to be a prude, with a complete lack of the way things actually work.
>>I would initialte communications befoire deleting it, like I have already said, dont make me repeat myself. And I am an Australian, Stereotyping myself a little here, I am definetly not a prude.

If you ask me, and I dont care if you do. People like you, with your 'im more important then you', 'my feelings are paramount', 'anyone who disagrees with what I find right needs to be banned' additude that need the wakeup call.
>>I never declared myself more important than you. But now that you mention it why not, "I AM BETTER THAN YOU I RULE HAHAHA" seriously?

Not the guy who jested 'sucks' with his friend in a video game.
>>it wasn't with a friend, you openly said it to a community.

So no, you can go home, kk bye now.

On another note, perhaps it would be pertinant for the various site admins to post in the newbie faq exactly what sort of behaviour is allowed, and not allowed. And that only the most prim and proper of those displaying the allowed behaviour can continue their gameplay uninterupted.

>>NO YOU GO HOME!

>>I'll tell your mum on you if you keep this up......

>>GROW UP

[Bloodgeon]

I'm sensing a little hostility....i agree with you, boarvolk, that his choice of wording may have been inappropriate, but if so, the actions taken by the mods were no less so. Even a small ban for writing "sucks" is ridiculous. Perhaps a stern reprimand would have served to contain the situation while retaining good feeling. There's really no need to perform harsh actions for such a small offense. I also realize that (my ignorance) Cannonball may have a history of repeated usage of forbidden words, and may have already received numerous warnings. If that is the case, a small ban may have been the correct answer. Otherwise, it is an overreaction.

[BoarVolk]

Might not seem it at first glance, but i am cool now.

I was mostly against, cannonballs attidude, and lack of remorse, not the actual post, though I do mean what I said, I dont like seeing it.

[Karissa]

Easy guys, easy.

JT is looking into this as we speak, and he will post again about it.

Right now - this is turning into a flame war, which I will not have on my forums. Sorry, no - I *will* take the ball and make ALL of you go home.

What goes on in DC stays on DC. What goes on in Central stays there, etc etc, so on and so forth. Again, JT will cover more of that in a few minutes.

Right now - I see my players acting out...and I want them to settle down. While the forum is *less* moderated due to the mingling of several servers here, I still expect the same behaviour from them that I would expect otherwise. We're all grown-ups, and we should *all* know when to walk away from the evil machine and take a new hobby. I've heard that basket weaving is quite nice for peacefulness.

I'm pointing no fingers, saying no names. Just...settle down. No more posts on this, not another word, nothing. Nada. Period. Please and thank you.

[Moonchilde]

Okay.. Here are the facts.

1) Cannonball (as his character) posted 'X sucks' in a couple of places on the game where X was the name of another character.
2) Cannonball was banned and the comments removed by one of Dragoncat's moderators who is new to the role.
3) the ban was for *1* day. Yes, this means 3 game days, but that's it.
4) I have removed the ban because I don't believe it was justified, AND I have made a statement for the mods and other admin so as to make it clear to them that the server is (imho) an NC-17 place and so a little bit of course language is ok though continued or abusive behaviour is not (nor would be describing a full-nude scene or anything like that). Basically Dragoncat's standards are more lax then centrals but they do exist.
5) I have notified Cannonball via YOM that the correct behaviour in this situation was to file a petition and then wait for it to be handled and then if it wasn't handled, to either submit a second petition or YOM me (after the ban was up). I do review petitions on my server.

Posting to a public forum is a court of last resort for this sort of thing. All it did in this case was to incite a flame war which shouldn't have happened. I was honestly tempted to leave the ban in place due to that, but (despite what some people think of me :)) I'm not that arbitrary.

Now, it's over, it's done with and this topic is locked because there doesn't need to be anything more said on this subject.