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Central Server January contest details.
January Contest: Clan Hunt
From January 1st to the 15th, PvP fights will be worth varying amounts of points.
Well, PvP fights against people in clans will be worth points.
Players will compete for prizes as individuals or clans.
Points will be assigned as possible:
a. Non-clan players: 0 points
b. Players in clans that opt out (only MEC): 0 points
c. Players in your own clan: 0 points
d. Players in clans you don't belong to: 100 points + bounty bonus
e. Bounty Bonus = 1 point for every gold in bounty collected
f. The White Rabbit = 1000 point bonus (see below)
Visiting the graveyard (being killed when in the forest or failing in a PVP) costs 50 points.
Players will compete as
a. Non-clan members compete as individuals
b. Clan members compete as teams
The White Rabbit will be a special target (clan or non-clan) worth ten times a normal player. When a player kills the white rabbit, they collect the bonus and then they become the White Rabbit. If the rabbit does not log in for 2 days, a new rabbit will be assigned. Follow the white rabbit to follow the bonus. A special thread will be posted in the forum to help track the rabbit. This is the tricky part of the contest, and everyone's help would be appreciated.
Individuals in competition should track all their points, and provide a list of all kills, bonuses, and totals.
[Ok, I'm feeling a bit generous]
Clans compete as teams, and one clan member should track all points, providing a list of all kills, bonuses, totals, and clan membership. Clan totals are normalized in 2 different ways, once divided by the number of members and again divided by the number of total dragonkills (with farmies counting as 1 instead of 0) to put all clans on an even playing field.
[the new prize list is below.]
JCP will verify all of the winning submissions. An email address to send your worksheets will be provided at the end of the contest.
Prizes will be awarded (temporary custom title and wither 10 gems or 200 lodge points) as follows:
a. Individual, most points
b. Individual, most valid kills
a. Individual, most points per dragonkill
b. Individual, most valid kills per dragonkill
e. Clan, most points per member (each member wins)
f. Clan, most valid kills per member (each member wins)
g. Clan, most points per dragonkill (each member wins)
h. Clan, most valid kills per dragonkill (each member wins)
In addition, the player who becomes the White Rabbit the most often will receive a special prize (20 gems or 400 lodge points and a custom title that is more permanent).
[Whew! that's a lot of prizes - and you can win more than once if you qualify!]
Clans members should cooperate in order to set and collect bounties - that's where strategy comes in.
So non-clan members can participate and get points for PvPing clan members but clan members don't get points for PvPing them?
Exactly. This lets non-clan members participate and keeps the list of targets small enough to be challenging.
So in this competition it'd be far more advantageous being a non-clan member as it would not be of anyone's worth to PVP you but you get free reign to PvP clan members and gain points!
Can I make a suggestion that PvPing non-clan members attracts some points but not as many as a clan-member. eg: 20-50 points? This way any non-clan member participating in the competition also has to watch their own back and when pvped loses exp and the ability to gain lvls fast so that they are on an even playing field with the clan members.
No.
If non-clan members are worth points, then everyone is a target. The number of targets must be limited.
Also, clans and non-clan members are not competing for the same prizes - and competing as an individual is probably going to be harder, since clans can coordinate bounties, which is where the real points are.
And gaining levels isn't necessarily an advantage, since pvps count, not levels gained.
Clarifications:
If someone remains the White Rabbit for 2 days, then JCP will assign a new White Rabbit.
Also, you have until the start of the contest to reorganize your clans.
Once the contest starts, JCP will start keeping an eye on clan memberships.
During the contest:
a. New clans will be able to form and add new members.
b. Established clans will be able to add new members.
c. If a player leaves a clan, that clan will receive a penalty of -500 points, and the player will be banned for 15 days - even if this is beyond the end of the contest.
I am taking this contest seriously, and I do not want players min/maxing clan rosters.
Yes, the penalty is harsh, so don't leave your clans.
It seems to me that allowing non-clan players to participate, even for different prizes would become something of a dis-incentive for belonging to a clan. Ie, I don't want to lose experience points because everyone wants to kill me, so why should I join a clan and become a target?
It might be more fair if non-clan players who wish to participate were listed and carried a point/bounty value. That would allow players who are not interested in the contest to carry on unaffected and even up the "targetability" of participants.
Then don't join a clan.
The contest isn't about getting killed, it's about killing. Advancing and experience points have no impact on the score.
If you decide to go solo, you are competing against the 1800 or so other players not in clans. If you are going as a clan, you are competing against the 9 or so other clans.
Only clans are targets. Hopefully this will help form clan identities and friendships.
Non-clan members who are not the white rabbit are not and will not be worth any points.
What's with c. and d. being the same? Is the same prize being awarded twice?
fixed
I see a few things that need clarifications or possible fixin' here...
1. How about failed attempts at clan members ? The clan, or the member should get some points from that, probably less than the full amount that would be gained were it the other way around. Non-clan members should be worth points in this case however. If this is not ok, losing in pvp against a clan member should make you lose points.
2. Opting-out needs clarification.
3. What about those that do not participate in the hunt ? The banning penalty assumes that all players and clans will participate, this is not necessarily the truth, and there is the possibility that a player might be removed from a clan by an officer or a leader, these cases need to be taken care of before such a penalty can be applied.
1. No. If you lose a pvp you are not gaining points, which is enough of a "penalty".
2. Only MEC can opt out. If you play the game, you're playing the contest.
3. All players and clans are participating in the hunt. Should clans have any reason to remove a player, then they take the penalty and the ban. If you don't want someone in your clan, get rid of them before the contest starts.
Players and clans are responsible for tracking their own points and submitting all calculations at the end of the contest.
Only clan status and bounties give points - the difficulty of a fight does not impact the points.
You do not get points for killing the White Rabbit if they are in your own clan.
1. Yes, non-clan members can be the rabbit - it is the only time they are worth points.
2. The game prevents you from collecting bounties you place yourself, so that part is handled by the game engine.
I do not see any board for tracking the White Rabbit. Did I miss it somewhere? :?: :)
When the contest starts, I'll make a new topic and announce the first rabbit. As rabbits are killed and collected, please post replies to that topic. I'll try to keep up, but there is going to be a lot of stuff going on in the game. :)
Hopefully nobody will try to put other clans off the scent by announcing people who aren't the White Rabbit on the forums...
*sneaks away, chuckling*
That would probably cost them points. :evil:
Important EVIL Twists:
1. Visiting the graveyard (being killed when in the forest or failing in a PVP) costs 50 points.
2. All scores are normalized for the number of Dragon Kills (Farmboys/Farmgirls will have an assigned value of 1 in order to prevent division by 0).
This means that individual non-clan members will divide their totals by their DK number for their final scores.
This means that clans must divide their scores by the total number of DKs - NOT by the total number of members.
For example: A player gets 100 points for a kill. A farmboy or page will divide that 100 by 1 and still have 100 points. A squire will divide by 2 and only get 50 points. And so on.
The more DKs you have, the easier PVP is, so this should balance out. And those with high DK totals don't need the contest rewards.
So Farmies and Pages just became the heavy hitters of the contest. :twisted:
Sneakabout
12-31-2003, 01:32 PM
::starts panicking.
Hmm. When exactly does the contest start?
Also, from what point are the scores normalised - is it the DK amount at the beginning of the contest, the end or at the time when ye made the kill?
::starts panicking.
Hmm. When exactly does the contest start?
Also, from what point are the scores normalised - is it the DK amount at the beginning of the contest, the end or at the time when ye made the kill?
It's started. And DKs are from the end, of course. :twisted:
Talisman
12-31-2003, 01:50 PM
Does the divide by DK apply only to the base kill points awarded, or to the bounty points as well?
Also, do all pvps from the current game day count, or only the ones after the contest start MoTD arrived?
Does the divide by DK apply only to the base kill points awarded, or to the bounty points as well?
Also, do all pvps from the current game day count, or only the ones after the contest start MoTD arrived?
The divide by DK applies to all points. Just add em all and divide at the end.
The PVPs from the current day count.
Sneakabout
12-31-2003, 02:20 PM
Whilst the Clan Marker in the PvP is useful, it also shows applicants as if they belong to a clan. I assume that they don't count for points.
*nearly slaughtered Varchild*
Karissa
12-31-2003, 02:35 PM
*shakes her head, laughing*
I *did* slaughter Varchild.
Ooops...
Ah well...hopefully he won't mind...much.
Voratus
12-31-2003, 04:45 PM
1) Do bounties on non-clan members count for points?
2) Do the "dying" penalties get added in with (well, subtacted from) the point total before figuring in DKs, or do they come out afterwards (and therefore much more costly)?
mcdoodefred
12-31-2003, 05:30 PM
For the individual competition, the divisor would seem to make the contest nearly impossible for me or Dirk to win it. Twist who is right under us has 30 or so DK's less but can kill anyone in the game that we can. I am not picking on Twist, he is just a good example of a tough character that can fight against almost anyone in the game. I will need pretty much double the points of anyone else in order to win. I am not whinning, just pointing out the obvious.
calandra
12-31-2003, 05:30 PM
At what point/time do we start counting PvP's and bounties?
To get this right .... add up 100 points per PvP and all bounties gained and white rabbit subtract graveyard penalties then divide by DK and that will give 1 clan members total. Add all totals together and divide by number of clan members to get CLAN score.
Are we still dividing by number of clan members? (Cause that would mean the clans with more members are bound to win.)
RIGHT?
At what point/time do we start counting PvP's and bounties?
To get this right .... add up 100 points per PvP and all bounties gained and white rabbit subtract graveyard penalties then divide by DK and that will give 1 clan members total. Add all totals together and divide by number of clan members to get CLAN score.
Are we still dividing by number of clan members? (Cause that would mean the clans with more members are bound to win.)
RIGHT?
No.
Add up all points per PvP and bounties and rabbit. Subtract graveyard penalties. Add all clan totals and divide by total number of dks in the clan for the clan score.
That should give a points per DK value which should put all clans on a fair basis.
The deductions are to minimize the effectiveness of a suicide run, but not penalize people too much for failure.
As for other comments:
McdoodeFred and Dirk are both in a clan, so it's impossible for you to win the individual competition no matter how many dks you have. But you two don't need the prize anyway.
Bounties on non-clan members do not count. Only the 1000 white rabbit points (if applicable) can be won from a non-clan person.
calandra
12-31-2003, 06:36 PM
That should give a points per DK value which should put all clans on a fair basis.
As for other comments:
McdoodeFred and Dirk are both in a clan, so it's impossible for you to win the individual competition no matter how many dks you have. But you two don't need the prize anyway.
.
Wouldn't say it was "fair" especially to TMNE and LOVE who have the top 4 players. Also Dirk and McD may not need the prize but there are other members in their clan that are "younger" and could do with the prize.
Competitions aren't about winning prizes but competing on an even playing ground and having fun whilst doing so. If there is no chance of TMNE or LOVE winning, why should any of their members bother playing?
calandra
12-31-2003, 06:40 PM
Add up all points per PvP and bounties and rabbit. Subtract graveyard penalties. Add all clan totals and divide by total number of dks in the clan for the clan score.
That should give a points per DK value which should put all clans on a fair basis.
Your original post regarding rules etc still states that we are to divide by number of clan members. This is in conflict to your last statement quoted above.
Can you clarify this confusion pls?
This means that clans must divide their scores by the total number of DKs - NOT by the total number of members.
Kether Rowan
12-31-2003, 07:06 PM
Are points division for DK to be made at the end of the tally, or when the points are taken initially?
Karissa
12-31-2003, 07:10 PM
Points division is to be made at the very end.
So yes, guys, watch your DKs for the next two weeks.
I do not think it is fair for us TMNE Clan. Q! and McD have a total of over 120 DK which nearly equal the whole other clan. but they are only have 3 PvP/day like everybody else. And our total point will be divided by 120DK + the rest of us(total of eight members). Other clan have 40 members for example and the total DK is just about that much. The PvP number they have is 120/day, we only have 24, wow what a comparision and we have to subtain the same division like them :shock: . and the contest is about kills, not about the natural toughness of the fight right. No matter how strong Dirk and McD are, they can only kill 6 times. Is it made special for us JCP?
demonbox
12-31-2003, 10:15 PM
I see we shoudl keep up this for our records to bne sure-- but the game is keeping up with this as well, correct? You aren't going to ask us for anything?
I see we shoudl keep up this for our records to bne sure-- but the game is keeping up with this as well, correct? You aren't going to ask us for anything?
Actually the game is keeping track of nothing.
You need to keep up your own records and submit them at the end for a manual verification.
I do not think it is fair for us TMNE Clan. Q! and McD have a total of over 120 DK which nearly equal the whole other clan. but they are only have 3 PvP/day like everybody else. And our total point will be divided by 120DK + the rest of us(total of eight members). Other clan have 40 members for example and the total DK is just about that much. The PvP number they have is 120/day, we only have 24, wow what a comparision and we have to subtain the same division like them :shock: . and the contest is about kills, not about the natural toughness of the fight right. No matter how strong Dirk and McD are, they can only kill 6 times. Is it made special for us JCP?
Who said they had to be part of the same clan? That was their decision, not mine. I knew this was going to be the rule before any clans were made. I just refused to tell anyone about it.
When was the last time Q! and McD lost a PvP battle? They should have enough of an advantage as it is. ANY PvP contest with those two cannot be even and fair for all those involved. It's like a flea versus an elephant.
I've received multiple complaints that Q! and McD pick on the same players over and over again. They are UNSTOPPABLE when they want to be. How is that fair?
Besides, I'm getting complaints that TMNE is too powerful and will win hands down. And others that TMNE can't possibly win. Both can't be right.
And all that you win is a few gems and a temporary title in a game. It's not worth raising your blood pressure over.
calandra
01-01-2004, 12:19 AM
Who said they had to be part of the same clan? That was their decision, not mine. I knew this was going to be the rule before any clans were made. I just refused to tell anyone about it.
When was the last time Q! and McD lost a PvP battle? They should have enough of an advantage as it is. ANY PvP contest with those two cannot be even and fair for all those involved. It's like a flea versus an elephant.
I've received multiple complaints that Q! and McD pick on the same players over and over again. They are UNSTOPPABLE when they want to be. How is that fair?
Besides, I'm getting complaints that TMNE is too powerful and will win hands down. And others that TMNE can't possibly win. Both can't be right.
And all that you win is a few gems and a temporary title in a game. It's not worth raising your blood pressure over.
1. Noone knew (as you said) what the purpose of the clans were, when clans were formed. Had we have known, Q and McD as well as many others might have formed clans differently. You can't BLAME them for joining the same clan.
2. Actually Q! lost to Twist just the other day so there are players out there that can beat them.
3. It seems that ppl DK about the same time which means they're coming up through the lvls about the same time and multiple pvp attempts occur because of this ... not necessarily because someone is being "picked" on. PvP is PART of LORD/LOTGD and I would be telling ppl to get over it or maybe look at who THEY are pvping. Complaining because they are constantly being PvPed seems trivial and pointless when its part of the game and should be accepted as such. (And before ppl start ... I myself have been PvPed constantly by the top 30 players ... shrug I in return do it the lower players!)
4. The rules at the start have changed. Clans have been reformed according to the original rules and yet the new rules were stated at start of competition giving noone a chance to reform clans unless they incur a penalty. (BTW the original "divide by number of clan members" rule is still in the original which contradicts the new "divide by DK" rule stated recently)
5. I agree with you ... all this "work" of tracking scores etc and the confusion of the exact scoring formula is not worth the prizes being offered.
IT'S JUST A GAME PPL .... HAVE FUN WITH IT. WHEN IT NO LONGER IS FUN ..... QUIT!
Karissa
01-01-2004, 12:57 AM
I have things to say about this...but tonight is not the night to do so.
I will just say that JCP didn't do this to 'punish' any particular group or person for being too strong. The entire thing was set up to be fun, to let everyone enjoy the clans, etc etc etc. He may be *evil* but he still likes to keep things reasonably fair and balanced...and no matterhow he did it, someone was going to be unhappy.
He could either not add the new rules and have those higher-ups win hands down or add the new rules and have the current fuss. Either way he was going catch a lot of flack about it.
(Granted, there's no avoiding that - we're staff and its some unwritten rule that someone has to be angry with us at all times...not 'quite' sure how that works, but in the months since neXus and JCP trained me I've noted this to be true.)
Either way - its just a game guys...and in the scope of the game, its a few gems and a funky title of your choosing. Is it worth causing dissention among everyone, lots of posts that could be time spent creating new things in game, and just a lot of aggravation over?
Could we not just relax and enjoy hunting eachother down for the sheer joy of commiting murder three to six times a day without reprecussion?
Alrighty.
As much as I like haveing only 1 winner (which is the point of the white rabbit), MightyE likes having lots of winners.
And that's our solution.
We'll add more prizes! Normalizing on a per player and per dragonkill basis across the board.
I think much better without people yelling at me about being unfair. :)
Hopefully more chances to win = more fun.
calandra
01-01-2004, 01:30 AM
I think much better without people yelling at me about being unfair. :)
BTW wasn't "yelling" at you. Just pointing out inconsistencies in the competition. Being a teacher its easy for me to spot the problems first and not recognise, comment on the good straight away.
The competition was a great idea to bond clan members and even though TMNE may have found the new rules meant playing the comp wasn't fun - it did manage to bond us tighter together which is what I believe your initial intentions were.
The job you guys do is SUPERB (or I wouldn't have donated money your way) and the aggravation is just part of the position you hold but don't take it personally or as an indication of how great the server is.
No, I'm fine with that, just my 2 cents when i saw things that is not fair.
So far,LOTGD is somethings i like to do in freetime.
And about some player complaint about being killed over and over again by high level players, I think it is ridiculous, PvP is a natural of the game, being killed there only means you are still weaker than the one who kill you. I myself was killed everyday in a week by somebody called Dargh, so what?. She is stronger, and when i am getting better, I will get my revenge. I can not blame her for being stronger than me. How can people blame/complaint about someone who just happens to work harder to be better. So the rule is about making it fair for everybody, not about limiting the stronger. Dirk and McD have to spend alot of time to be that good so can it be the reason to complain? Spend your own time to be like this, if you can't, please accept the fact. I'm not running around and moaning like a child, just want to make things clear. If you think our clan happen to be stronger, just say that we should not join it. but we are not that strong anyway, all other members are under 10 DK, only Dirk and McD is that strong 8) . I feel like that(no offence to anybody): you have a soccer team, play against other team and lose because they are better. so you decide to play your rule, ban all of the best player from other team(reasons being they are too good to play :roll: ). So if it is the case, we are happy to stay aside and let other clan do it.
Sorry for my trouble English, I'm not in a good mood right now.
To JCP: I know organizing competition is not an easy job, you have done a great job so far(like Calandra have point out, don't be upset about it)
MrEccentric
01-01-2004, 03:04 AM
I will be happy as long as I can kill people... :twisted:
mcdoodefred
01-01-2004, 03:57 AM
Sorry I did not mean to start up such a storm.
Sktim
01-01-2004, 09:15 AM
Either way - its just a game guys
Could we not just relax and enjoy hunting eachother down for the sheer joy of commiting murder three to six times a day without reprecussion?
Here, here. I agree.
Sneakabout
01-01-2004, 09:19 AM
Actually, none of this really complicates things too much. If ye keep a record of who ye kill then ye can work out all the other stuff afterwards. It also doesn't really change the aim of the contest - kill as many people as ye can!
The Lady Dannon
01-01-2004, 12:13 PM
Let's all just have fun... I don't like being killed :x but killing others for points sure is fun :twisted: and we all kill each other anyway :wink:
I absolutely know that all of the whole things is about killing, kill as many as you can. But when you suddenly have the burden of 130 DK over 8 members, it is a different story. How many you have to kill to be equal other clan with many more members but the same DK?
Sneakabout
01-02-2004, 08:25 AM
BAD had 308 DKs last I checked and that was a week ago - everyone'll have the same problems with the DK normalisation...
Karissa
01-02-2004, 02:08 PM
There's a new White Rabbit, and a new rule to make things hopefully a bit more fair, and cause a bit less headache.
Due to the problems associated with having a high-rank player kill the rabbit, we're changing things very slightly.
Anyone in the Top Ten Dragon Kills, or Top Ten in Toughness is not eligable to become the White Rabbit. They may kill the rabbit, and get the points for it, but that person remains the rabbit.
Thus; say Q! kills Angul. He then gets 1000 WR points, plus the 100 points, plus bounty if she has one, but she is still the Rabbit. This will hopefully give everyone a bit more of a chance at sharing the joys of rabbit stew.
If the White Rabbit is killed by someone not in the top 10 of those two things, it will pass on to them as the previous rules state.
To save the Rabbit excess slaughter, Q! may not kill Angul every time she logs in for as long as she remains the rabbit, and gain those 1000 points over and over again. Yes, we are aware that this will mean the White Rabbit may occassionally have to die twice...but that was going to happen anyways in the midst of a clan war.
Any questions?
calandra
01-02-2004, 08:45 PM
BAD had 308 DKs last I checked and that was a week ago - everyone'll have the same problems with the DK normalisation...
BAD has 308 DKs and 29 members ... ability to score on 57 PvPs (plus more if resurrected) per gaming day.
TMNE has 155DKs and 8 members ... ability to score on 24 PvPs (ditto resurrection) per gaming day.
Assuming all members got 3 clan pvps for 1 day the scores would be
5700/308 = 18.5pts
2400/155 = 15.5pts
whereas divide those scores by clan membership number and you'd have
5700/29 = 300 pts
2400/8 = 300 pts
The figures favour your clan and would favour even more so the larger clans with multitudes of farmcreatures such as BSF or TMind.
FanboyElric
01-03-2004, 03:30 AM
Nice numbers calendra, but you do need to take into account the fact that TMNE and BAD are probably likely to get most of those PVP kills, whereas other clans may not be getting those due to weaker players..... in any case, this is supposed to be fun, so deal with the rules as they are and see if you can use them to your advantage...
calandra
01-03-2004, 04:53 AM
I just want to highlight JCP's msg in MoTD.
Applicants are showing up in fields and in the Inn as being part of a clan when they haven't been accepted yet.
I noticed that poor Varchild (an applicant to TMNE) is being bountied and pvped a lot and the sad thing is, his points don't count.
Please be careful, double check your victims by looking at their bio.
calandra
01-03-2004, 05:00 AM
Nice numbers calendra, but you do need to take into account the fact that TMNE and BAD are probably likely to get most of those PVP kills, whereas other clans may not be getting those due to weaker players..... in any case, this is supposed to be fun, so deal with the rules as they are and see if you can use them to your advantage...
Not necessarily, luck and money also factor into it. Its becoming harder to find clan members alive and organising for another clan member to bounty them before they've been pvped. The more ppl your clan has online, the more chance you'll get those pvps before someone else does.
Yep it is meant to be fun ... but the rules keep changing because according to JCP, ppl keep complaining. TMNE didn't complain about the original rules just the changes that occurred after the competition started which made playing for us not worth it.
Anyways, now that there is 2 ways of scoring (original way and DK way), we're happy to participate.
neXus
01-03-2004, 07:12 AM
People do keep complaining. Also please note that the point tally, as well as DK totals will be done at the end of the contest. This is why removing players is counted as cheating. Therefore an applicant today who may become a member tomorrow would mean points at the end of the contest. This should be kept in mind too - if he/she's accepted, those points are going to be valid.
Sneakabout
01-03-2004, 08:47 AM
Booger mentioned an idea to me - 'twould be nice to get extra points fer officers or leaders of other clans...
Karissa
01-03-2004, 09:22 AM
It would, yes, but for the love of all that is holy, we are not...I repeat *not* changing the rules unless there is some truly dire necessity of a problem completely unforeseen by JCP.
(An' I believe I'm safe in saying he's foreseen most possibilities...so don't hold yer breath, Hoppy.)
Yep it is meant to be fun ... but the rules keep changing because according to JCP, ppl keep complaining. TMNE didn't complain about the original rules just the changes that occurred after the competition started which made playing for us not worth it.
Anyways, now that there is 2 ways of scoring (original way and DK way), we're happy to participate.
To be accurate, the DK rule change occured AT the official start of the contest, not after it started, as I planned since before TMNE was even formed. I dislike the facts being misrepresented.
calandra
01-03-2004, 04:49 PM
To be accurate, the DK rule change occured AT the official start of the contest, not after it started, as I planned since before TMNE was even formed. I dislike the facts being misrepresented.
Fare comment! <Calandra accepts the remonstration!>
I spose what I meant was, we didn't get to see the new rules until after the competition started and therefore could not reform clan.
lonestrider
01-03-2004, 07:14 PM
I just want to highlight JCP's msg in MoTD.
Applicants are showing up in fields and in the Inn as being part of a clan when they haven't been accepted yet.
I noticed that poor Varchild (an applicant to TMNE) is being bountied and pvped a lot and the sad thing is, his points don't count.
Please be careful, double check your victims by looking at their bio.
Honestly, i think it's a great decoy system.
::sheepishly looks around:: I used my outside voice for that one, didn't I?
calandra
01-03-2004, 07:37 PM
Honestly, i think it's a great decoy system.
::sheepishly looks around:: I used my outside voice for that one, didn't I?
LAUGH .... yes but I can just HEAR the complaints that JCP is going to get so I wanted to highlight it again in forums to save JCP's mailbox from overflowing. :roll:
demonbox
01-04-2004, 02:41 AM
I see we shoudl keep up this for our records to bne sure-- but the game is keeping up with this as well, correct? You aren't going to ask us for anything?
Actually the game is keeping track of nothing.
You need to keep up your own records and submit them at the end for a manual verification.
Looks like apathy hands in a loss yet again. :cry: Oh well. :lol:
I see we shoudl keep up this for our records to bne sure-- but the game is keeping up with this as well, correct? You aren't going to ask us for anything?
Actually the game is keeping track of nothing.
You need to keep up your own records and submit them at the end for a manual verification.
Looks like apathy hands in a loss yet again. :cry: Oh well. :lol:
Apathy? Apathy nothing.
JCP does not code. JCP is a chemist. This is a way to have a little fun without coding anything in. Not everything has to be coded.
calandra
01-05-2004, 12:27 AM
Just wanted to clarify pls .....
When the Green Dragon kills you - does that attract the graveyard penalty?
Also when you die because of a special event in the forest, does that attract graveyard penalty?
Lastly, when a new member is added to the clan, when do we start keeping score ... from the beginning of contest or the beginning of membership?
Thanks in advance.
neXus
01-05-2004, 03:32 AM
The way I understand it, scoring is done at the end, which is why removing a member from a clan results in a 500 point penalty and a 15 day ban for the removed party. So if you attack an applicant today and that person is made a member before the end of the contest, you better recount your points because you're gonna get more than you anticipated. Checking your bio is gonna be very helpful at the end of it.
Also, any visit to the graveyard costs points.
@Jcp: Please clarify if I've got it wrong.
1. Visiting the graveyard (being killed when in the forest or failing in a PVP) costs 50 points.
This rule was intended to prevent people from asking about point loss when someone successfully attacks them, but apparently raises questions.
If you attack someone in pvp or a creature in the forest (including the dragon) and lose, you lose points.
Special events or anything else that sends you to the graveyard, will not cost you points. You only lose points if you attack something and fail.
The intent of this rule is to penalize the "suicide" strategy for gaining more PvPs while not being a severe penalty for routine failure. Special events are random and can't be used to suicide against.
All clan members at the end of the contest count for points.
NOTE: This does allow someone to fly solo for a while (getting points while not a target) and then join a clan at the last minute to give the clan points (which are then normalized). While not in the best spirit of sportsmanship, this is a valid strategy. The points will count and I'll probably list those last minute additions in detail so you can all "congratulate" them on joining a clan on the last day of the contest.
Sneakabout
01-05-2004, 01:42 PM
*thinks that those who join late in the contest wil be cheered on by a host of arrows...*
elinre
01-06-2004, 08:23 AM
bounty points do not count if taken from a non-clan member, right? that's how i understand it, but wanted to clarify...
i'm a slow to advance non-clan farmie who doesn't regularly pvp anyone (or harrass moderators... hehe..).... so i've never had a bounty on me till 4 days ago... and then again 2 days ago... haven't logged on since then, so i could have another and not know it... so somebody may be wasting pvp's and money on attacks that don't give points toward the contest...
or maybe they think non-clan members feel left out of the fun of being killed for bounty! :lol:
bounty points do not count if taken from a non-clan member, right? that's how i understand it, but wanted to clarify...
i'm a slow to advance non-clan farmie who doesn't regularly pvp anyone (or harrass moderators... hehe..).... so i've never had a bounty on me till 4 days ago... and then again 2 days ago... haven't logged on since then, so i could have another and not know it... so somebody may be wasting pvp's and money on attacks that don't give points toward the contest...
or maybe they think non-clan members feel left out of the fun of being killed for bounty! :lol:
That is right. One of the "hoped for" results of the contest is to cut down on the bounties and pvps of non-clan people, since they are not worth points. I was trying to give you all some breathing room.
Alright, I reviewed my notes...
There is NO PENALTY.
Ousis got out right before the contest started. No harm, no foul, no one lost points or got banned.
MrEccentric
01-06-2004, 11:31 AM
That is right. One of the "hoped for" results of the contest is to cut down on the bounties and pvps of non-clan people, since they are not worth points. I was trying to give you all some breathing room.
That means less 4000 points for me! :cry:
feahyarmen
01-06-2004, 10:07 PM
That means less 4000 points for me! :cry:
Eccentric, you greedy one! Haha!And it was your choice not to join my clan.
By the way, Ramius have a good room to despair, if you need it.
Thealien
01-06-2004, 11:18 PM
I was just wondering whether we can count the points/DK if we defeat clan people who have tried to attack us in the fields or the inn and lost? :?
(in my case they have been trying to munch up the millions of bounties being placed on my head) :P
I was just wondering whether we can count the points/DK if we defeat clan people who have tried to attack us in the fields or the inn and lost? :?
(in my case they have been trying to munch up the millions of bounties being placed on my head) :P
No. Only if you start the attack do you gain the points.
calandra
01-07-2004, 05:28 PM
Players and clans are responsible for tracking their own points and submitting all calculations at the end of the contest.
Only clan status and bounties give points - the difficulty of a fight does not impact the points.
You do not get points for killing the White Rabbit if they are in your own clan.
Ok found the wording .... so I'm repeating the query I left in White Rabbit forum....
When Luin killed Vorgase, Vorgase retained the suit because of the top 10 rule. When Sneaky (BAD) killed Vorgase (BAD) he took the suit but since he killed a fellow clan member, should he be entitled to the points?
More than half way over! Yay!
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